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8th-Feb-2012 06:54 pm
Okay, I'm not entirely sure this type of post is permitted here (and if not, mods please feel free to remove it) but I thought I'd try my luck. Anyway.

So, I've recently started writing my dissertation for university, and believe it or not my tutor legitimately advised me to think about using the show Buffy the Vampire Slayer in my research. While I have, in the past, watched pretty much all episodes at least once, I unfortunately don't know the show inside out the way I do, for example, Supernatural. Kind of hoping someone can help...

Can anyone think of any quotes either from Spike, or about him, that relate to:

a) Spike defying/resisiting/usurping some kind of authority figure (for example, Angel/Angelus).
b) Showing some kind of moral code, or performing a moral act (even in his evil days).
c) Being respectful/protective towards female characters.
d) Displaying an attitude of futility or pessimism (for example, believing himself damned/destined to fail).
e) Advocating free will; a determination to do the impossible.

Sorry, I know they're very specific and random things I'm asking for, but to simplify - anything that makes Spike a 'byronic hero'. Thank you in advance!

PS: This post will be relevant until May, so if anyone thinks of anything between then and now, please let me know!
PPS: Does anyone know where else I could post this request that might be helpful?

8th-Feb-2012 07:25 pm (UTC)
I can think of 3 off the top of my head.

b) Showing some kind of moral code, or performing a moral act (even in his evil days).

I'm not sure if this really counts but helping Buffy stop Angel from sending Earth into hell in Becoming Part 2

c) Being respectful/protective towards female characters.

The Episode Forever when Spike is helping Dawn get the egg from the demon to help resurrect Joyce

d) Displaying an attitude of futility or pessimism (for example, believing himself damned/destined to fail).

This is from Angel so I'm not sure if it will actually help you but Hell Bound when Spike is slowly being dragged to hell and he doesnt think he can save himself or be saved.

8th-Feb-2012 07:27 pm (UTC)
Thank you! Very helpful ^^
8th-Feb-2012 07:31 pm (UTC)
Your welcome I hope it helps! =)
8th-Feb-2012 09:03 pm (UTC)
I'll have to do some thinking on the subject but offhand:

b/c) In "Lover's Walk" (S3.8) Spike goes to Buffy's house and Joyce makes him some hot chocolate; he talks about his problems with Dru as she listens sympathetically. Buffy and Angel interrupt but I have the feeling that Spike, in response to Joyce's kindness, would not have hurt her even if they hadn't intervened.

In "Family" (S5.6) he punches Tara even though it will hurt him to prove she is not a demon.

In "Checkpoint" (S5.12) Buffy is being hounded by Glory, the Knights of Byzantium and the Watchers. She can't protect Joyce and Dawn so she entrusts them to Spike who, after a bit of snark, realizes she's serious and rises to the occasion (this is the ep that turned me into a true fan of Spike).

In "Forever" (S5.17) he protects Dawn even though Buffy will never know.
In "Intervention" (5.18) Spike lets Glory torture him rather than reveal that Dawn is the Key.

During the time Buffy was dead Spike continued to protect Dawn (and the others) because that's what he promised Buffy in "The Gift"(S5.22):
Buffy: I'm counting on you ... to protect her.
Spike: Till the end of the world. Even if that happens to be tonight.

10th-Feb-2012 10:06 am (UTC)
Thank you! I completely admire your detailed offhand knowledge xD
10th-Feb-2012 09:37 pm (UTC)
Found another one possibly for d) "I may be love's bitch but at least I'm man enough to admit it." (Lovers Walk S3.8)

8th-Feb-2012 09:15 pm (UTC) - Things that might help
Hi, Sakuri,

I don't know Buffy and Angel shows inside and out either, but here are some websites that you may not know of:



10th-Feb-2012 10:06 am (UTC) - Re: Things that might help
Ah thank you! Will definately check them out ^^
8th-Feb-2012 09:31 pm (UTC)
There's always that quote from Becoming Part 2, when he offers to help Buffy stop Angelus from waking Acathala in exchange for her letting him and Dru go.

We like to talk big. Vampires do. 'I'm going to destroy the world.' That's just tough guy talk. Strutting around with your friends over a pint of blood. The truth is, I like this world. You've got... dog racing, Manchester United. And you've got people. Billions of people walking around like Happy Meals with legs. It's all right here. But then someone comes along with a vision. With a real... passion for destruction. Angel could pull it off. Goodbye, Piccadilly. Farewell, Leicester Bloody Square. You know what I'm saying?

The Buffy Guide and Slayerverse may help you with your research.
8th-Feb-2012 11:19 pm (UTC)
I love that whole scene - thank you for reminding me of it!!
10th-Feb-2012 10:07 am (UTC)
Haha I love that quote ^^ And thank you for the suggestion and the sites!
8th-Feb-2012 09:56 pm (UTC)
To add to this...when Spike went to Buffy to help her stop Angelus, he had to sit in her living room and wait on her, and he backed up her silly story to her mom about being in a band, and was totally polite and respectful to Joyce.

When he first got the chip in (can't think of the episode, someone else may mention it), he was going to kill Buffy with a shotgun, even though it would really, really hurt him.

He went to her house, and Buffy was sitting outside on the back porch, upset and depressed. Instead of killing her or even threatening her, he sits down next to her and tries to comfort her, reassures her, and basically is just a listening ear for her.

See also how quiet and tender he was with her when she had just been resurrected. She was scared and confused and he didn't push her or grab her or anything, he just calmly had Dawn go and get some stuff to clean up/bandage Buffy's damaged hands and talked gently and calmly to her. Probably my favorite Spike/Buffy moment.
10th-Feb-2012 10:09 am (UTC)
Thank you! I love that scene with the shotgun on the porch, I was actually thinking about it this morning haha.
8th-Feb-2012 10:01 pm (UTC)
OMG - there are so, so many that fit your requests. Some have already been mentioned, but I'll give it some thought and see what I can come up with subject-by-subject.

As for other places to get responses: the tags or forums on any of the Spike-friendly archives (the Bloodshedverse forum, for instance, as well as The Spuffy Realm. Also, on LJ you could try Seeking Spike (if the mod will allow it), or other communities devoted to Spike-centric meta or fic.

Edited at 2012-02-08 10:07 pm (UTC)
10th-Feb-2012 10:11 am (UTC)
Thank you for the suggestions! If you do hav any further thoughts, feel free to mention them ^^
8th-Feb-2012 11:57 pm (UTC)
Also, just off the top of my head:

I would think that fighting to regain his soul would fall into both the determination to do the impossible/free will category and, perhaps, the moral act category. As would sacrificing himself to save the world.
And the fact that he urges Buffy to stake him when he's possessed by the First and begun killing again.
10th-Feb-2012 10:12 am (UTC)
Thanks! Bless, he's really just a big White Hat in disguise, isn't he =P
9th-Feb-2012 08:08 pm (UTC)
For c) basically any scene with Spike and Dru. He was always hyper protective of her. The one that comes to mind immediately is Lie to Me. Buffy threatens Dru and everything stops as far as Spike is concerned except protecting her.

For d) right after he was chipped there is quite a bit of that, to the point that in one s4 episode (the title escapes me) he attempts to dust himself.

For e) he saddles up with the Scoobies to take on a hell god, one that has already knocked him into next week without breaking a sweat.
10th-Feb-2012 10:13 am (UTC)
Thank you! ^^ I loved his relationship with Dru, actually, a lot more than with Buffy.
9th-Feb-2012 11:51 pm (UTC)
you might try posting this over at spanderfiles.com, some of them might be able to help you also.

a) pretty much any authority figure from what i remember, but he had a special fondness for messing with angel/us and giles

c) after he came back, he was pretty much always respectful to joyce from what i remember. and as others pointed out, he was always very protective and attentive to dru and then later dawn.

b/e) he did fight to get his soul back after realizing what he did to buffy, dont' know how much that falls under moral exactly, but it shows that he went further than his own conscience would let him and did something to rectify that. which then falls kind of under the impossible bit as well as free will, because what regular vampire would normally choose to get a soul of their own accord
10th-Feb-2012 10:15 am (UTC)
Thank you! ^^ Very helpful suggestions, and I'll definately check out the site
12th-Feb-2012 03:33 am (UTC)
How about this one for a protective Spike? When he was babysitting Dawn the night that Buffy was brought back to life and the demons was tearing up the town, he clearly wanted to join in but didn't because - paraphasing here - he told Dawn that he was her minder and she had to mind him. Also, when they ran out of the house and he took a motocycle from one of the demons, he made Dawn wear the helmet.
17th-Feb-2012 01:10 pm (UTC)
Regarding (a) I would recommend you have a close look at s2, when Angelus has returned and Spike and Dru are living with him in the mansion.
Spike teaming up with Buffy to kill Angelus is the obvious act in that season, but I'm sure there are more of them, which will be more subtle.

Also look at s4 when Spike is living with Giles (read. chained in his bath tub). Giles is the natural authority figure on Buffy, even if he perhaps doesn't hold much authority over Spike.
Spike does things like not rinse his mug after drinking blood and other stupid stuff just to annoy him.
In Tabula Rasa (s6 ep8) Spike think's Giles is his dad just because they both have English accents. He is very vocal about his displeasure at this.

About (d), souled, crazy Spike in Season 7 is good for that.
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