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28th-Jan-2011 06:13 pm
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Mods, feel free to erase this if need be. It's not exactly off topic, but it does have to do with any future story I'm working on. How many words are allowed? I tried asking on lj questions, but all it talked about was bytes. How many words does that mean? Does that include puntuation and paragraph size? I'm losing my mind over trying to find out where to break one chapter into two parts.
29th-Jan-2011 02:37 am (UTC)
I had a 6,000 almost 7,000 word story, I had to break it up at the 5,000 word limit. Well thats what I found easier for me.

Your not alone on the annoyingness of lj word limits
29th-Jan-2011 02:59 am (UTC)
Having just gone to your most recent fic post and looked at the source code, I can inform you that MSWord is causing your problems.

The first four paras of your fic 'Who Knew?' contain 1271 chars (including spaces), but in the source code, that is padded out to 1785 by code:

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 

"Century Schoolbook","serif";">It was one 

of those nights. The weather was pretty balmy. Christmas was 

right around the corner. The residents of Sunnydale might not 

know what went on in their town after dark, but that 

didn’t seem to stop them from putting up lights, trees 

and all that holiday cheer.<br /><br /></span></p>  

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Century 

Schoolbook","serif";">Spike walked along the 

streets with Rip Torn prancing a few feet ahead of him. 

Xander had all but shoved his lover out the door as soon as 

the sun had set, and told him in a firm tone not to come back 

till at least midnight. The vampire knew his lover wanted him 

gone so that Xander could wrap the presents without Spike 

looking over his shoulder.<br /><br /></span></p>  <p 

class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Century 

Schoolbook","serif";">He could have gone to 

Willy’s or any of the other Demon bars in town, but for 

some strange reason Spike chose instead to do some 

patrolling. He’d left L.A a month ago in what Xander 

still called a pissed-off huff, but then that’s what 

happens when Angel kept pulling some crazy shit.<br /><br /></span></p>

  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 

"Century Schoolbook","serif";">Spike 

understood that Angel did have a problem with all the new 

vampires running around L.A. But after a month had passed and 

Spike was still there, he was starting to get pissed with his 

Sire. Not that Angel was interfering or anything, just too 

afraid to have his own humans help out. Too afraid they would 

get hurt or something, one reason why Xander had stayed behind.<br /><br /></span></p>

MSWord (I assume) is setting the font for each individual paragraph. And that's not the worst I've ever seen. Word can also add font size and font colour and background colour to each and every paragraph, easily tripling the character count of your post, and depending on how you're saving your work, you won't even know it. Until you go to post, and suddenly that short fic is 'too big'.

(I'm hoping my own html code works here, or else I'm going to have to figure out another way to do this *g*) (Attempt #2)

Edited at 2011-01-29 02:59 am (UTC)
29th-Jan-2011 03:03 am (UTC)
Okay, that's... slightly better. The linespacing is annoying but you can still see all the extraneous code that's in there.

And this is only meant as an example. I am in no way having a go at spazlady2002 or any other author, I'm just sayin'... MSWord is evol. ;)
29th-Jan-2011 04:01 am (UTC)
Lol...I've always known word adds all kinds of crap to my stories an what not. So the question would be, how the hell would that get fixed? aside from keeping a generic font an size.
29th-Jan-2011 04:25 am (UTC)
I pretty much gave up trying to turn everything off in Word after the third time it reset itself and started adding smartquotes and other evils back into my docs. Now I sidestep the whole thing and only work and save in txt files.

I still use Word because I love having the wordcount facility right there, one click away, but as everything is saved as txts, the program can't sneak any pointless stuff in while I'm not looking. It means handcoding bold and italics, but after seven years of doing that, it's automatic to the point that I do it in letters and emails and then have to go back and edit it out. *g*

You can turn a lot of stuff off in Tools > Options. Smart tags, embedded TrueType fonts...

In Tools > Autocorrect Options, you can turn off the smart quotes, but you need to do that in both the 'Autoformat' and 'Autoformat as You Type' tabs. Then doublecheck that smart tags are completely disabled under the Smart Tags tab.

But, as I say, Word (or mine, at least) has a tendency to spontaneously reset any or all of these changes at random intervals. Which is why I work in txtxs. *g*
29th-Jan-2011 04:37 am (UTC)
huh, I am in no way word literate enough to do what you just suggested. lol... and when you refer to txt your like talking about typing the in like notepad or straight into the message box?
29th-Jan-2011 04:45 am (UTC)
Yes, txt files are notpad files. If you doubleclick on a txt file it will open in notepad by default. But, if you rightclick the file and hover over 'Open With', it gives you the option of opening it in Word, which means you can use Word's Grammar/Spellcheck, wordcount facilities etc, while you're working on your fic.
29th-Jan-2011 04:52 am (UTC)
I'll have to try that out. I used to use notepad ages ago, when I was using a Imac. I've kinda grown fawned of word, so we shall see.

Thanks for doing all that. *g* I learned a bit more about word, so all is awesome!
29th-Jan-2011 04:57 am (UTC)
YW. I am always always willing to educate people about the hidden evils of MSWord. ;)

29th-Jan-2011 06:48 am (UTC)
You can also write your fic in Word, and then say 'save as' and choose .txt instead of .doc. You should have a menu of formats to choose from, probably have to scroll for .txt.

I hate typing anything long in wordpad or notepad, i'm used to Word. Good luck!
29th-Jan-2011 08:16 am (UTC)
If you save as a .txt, will it keep the bolding, italics, and all that? Or does that make them disappear?

*knows nothing about all this hidden character business*
29th-Jan-2011 02:07 pm (UTC)
*knows nothing about all this hidden character business* I'm with you on that!
29th-Jan-2011 02:34 pm (UTC)
Saving as a .txt, you'll have to hand-code bold and italics. But trust me - it becomes second nature. I write and < i> just pops up automatically where i need it.

*without the space, of course*

Good luck!
29th-Jan-2011 02:04 pm (UTC)
Ok, I'm confused on two parts. One, that's not my story and two, I'm lost on the coding that you just did. Coding's not my strong suit. At all.
29th-Jan-2011 04:25 pm (UTC)
The story quote was in reply to the commenter spazlady2002, so was actually a chunk of her story. I have just taken a look in your journal, and judging from the most recent two chapters you've posted, your code is pretty clean, so you naughty_fae's 10,000 word limit should be fairly accurate.

Good luck!
29th-Jan-2011 02:01 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I really wish that there was no word limit at all.
29th-Jan-2011 02:37 am (UTC)
Having just run a very quick experiment in my journal, I can state with confidence that lj allows a maximum of 65,534 characters per post - and that includes punctuation, spaces, code, etc.

If you are working in MSWord, beware. That can easily triple the size of your post with hidden, invisible code. (Saving as a txt file removes all the hidden stuff but also any bold or italics unless you've handcoded the html.)
29th-Jan-2011 02:05 pm (UTC)
Thank you. I think that that's clear.
29th-Jan-2011 07:46 am (UTC) - Max LJ Post
The maximum words you can post to LJ in one go is 10,000. I found this out when I was writing Master Of Thornfield.
29th-Jan-2011 02:12 pm (UTC) - Re: Max LJ Post
Thank you! Thank you, thank you thank you!!! THAT'S what I was going for! Coding just gets me confused and now, even though I'll have to break a chapter into two or three parts, at least I'll know how many words to go for in a post. Sometimes, when a story will just snowball because of plot bunnies and unruly characters and before you know it, a three chapter only story will suddenly turn into four or five.
29th-Jan-2011 02:44 pm (UTC)
I regularly post up to 10k (10,000) words. But I use Neo-Office and don't bold or italic that much. I like Neo-Office as it was free, although they ask for a donation, better than MSanything, and very flexible. It downloads a complete office suite. It's also available in a Windows version. If you want it there's a good link on FanFiction to both versions.

MSWord is evil, it adds up to 1k of 'extra' html to every single paragraph.
1st-Feb-2011 12:22 am (UTC)
I can usually get the full 10,000 (give or take) from a Word doc, but I do hand code my italics and bold (although they are there in my doc. on my HD). What it does to me is randomly decide not to make paragraph spaces that copy/past into LJ unless I manually skip two lines while I'm typing. It always takes me a while to figure what I need to turn off to make that stop happening, but sooner or later it comes back anyway. Word is evol.
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